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welcome this somewhere in the skies

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today we're talking to NK cran de

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experience a researcher and preserver of

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witness testimonies I do a lot of

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research with trauma and PTSD that's

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kind of where I'm coming from is that

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these people already have their story

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and they've already had the stigma and

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they've already had the heartache and

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the shame and everything else it's time

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to just listen and sometimes just

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listening is like more than these people

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could ever have imagined I'm like well

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you know your story was amazing would

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you like me to preserve that and they're

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like no I think I just wanted someone to

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listen and then they disappear forever

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this is somewhere in the skies the brain

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spike

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for those who know me or have read my

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book you know that I hold witness

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testimony in very high regard when it

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comes to investigating and researching

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the UFO phenomenon without a witness

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coming forward we almost never have

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anything to work off of the scientists

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have nothing to test the journalists

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have nothing to report the investigators

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and researchers have nothing to

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investigate when it comes down to it the

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people having these experiences are the

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only reason you're listening to this

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show it's the only reason UFOs are in

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conversation all over the world it's

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because someone looked up in the skies

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is awesome

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they couldn't experiment or they had a

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close encounter experience with

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something many believe his otherworldly

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and I'm human and today we're going to

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talk to one of the people who listens

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who records and who preserves these

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stories and cake Randa is a Southern

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California native now living in Texas

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she went to school for horticultural

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Sciences and graduated with the highest

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honors she then continued her education

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in the fields of psychology PTSD and

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trauma therapies she currently works an

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experiencer research and preservation

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and has the honor of interviewing some

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of the most incredible people this field

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has to offer and today we learn all

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about her work and where it fits into

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this giant puzzle a mystery that

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continues to elude us somewhere in the

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skies I Ryan I'm so happy we finally

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made this happen I feel like we've been

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trying to do this for a while I know we

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kind of play tag as far as comments on

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Facebook goes and then we're like oh we

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should have an interview and then

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another six months went by so finally

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it's when there's every six months

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things we're like passing ships in the

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wind but no we're finally here we're

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finally doing this and I'm so happy to

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finally

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have you on because you you represent

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something that really really attracted

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me to the UFO topic and phenomena as

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well and that's experiencers now I wrote

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a book all about this in 2016 where I

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interviewed hundreds of individuals who

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claimed everything from lights in the

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sky up to abductions and Close

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Encounters and it was interesting there

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was extremely eye-opening for me and I

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know we're gonna get into how it's a

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sort of impact at your life but before

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we sort of get to that I always like to

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get the origin story of how people

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became who they are in this field so

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would you mind maybe telling us a little

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about yourself and how you got involved

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with the UFO topic to be perfectly

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honest about myself I'm a very normal

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regular boring person I'm pretty much 90

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years old I have an office job I like to

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knit I think that when my toddler was

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teething I watched Finding Nemo about

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7000 362 times you know I've never had

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any major psychiatric disorders or

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anything like that so I think I'm doing

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pretty well on that end yeah I can blend

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in with the crowd you know I'm just I'm

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really just a normal girl I'm looking at

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your bio here and you were a hoarder or

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are a horticultural scientist is that

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true yeah that's what I went to school

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for I studied horticultural propagation

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I'm diseases and I wrote my paper on the

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effects of interior scapes and live

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plants inside of hospitals and I found

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that people that had live greenery to

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interact with or even to look at would

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heal from surgeries and recover much

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faster that's like something I never

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really like thought about it's like how

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we can sort of communicate with plants

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or I like how they can be mutually

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beneficial and whatnot that's so cool

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absolutely yeah and I mean you also have

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education in the fields of psychology

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PTSD and trauma so I got to ask in all

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of this stuff that you've done

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how did UFO experiences play into all

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this how did that happen to be honest

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I'm gonna blame my daughter cuz every

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parent does

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she had just really warned me out one

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day and when she had finally collapsed

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for a nap I was watching one of those

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YouTube top ten videos and it was top 10

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mysterious disappearances and national

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parks they're quite addicting and of

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course I'm a lot of the missing for one

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one cases came up and a name that kept

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coming up was David Politis so I

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researched him and I noticed that he

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went to something called a MUFON

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symposium and I had no idea what that

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was and I did some research on the

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organization and I was like you know I'm

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you know what the hell I'll go to a

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meeting maybe I can talk to somebody

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about missing for one one or get to know

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some other people I didn't but I

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actually got to meet some pretty cool

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people I ended up becoming their

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secretary so I was there for every

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meeting I was writing a whole bunch of

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reports it was very boring I was very

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overqualified I found that a lot of the

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subject matter was kind of pretentious

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and speculative but the most fascinating

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part about this is that at the end of

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every meeting these people would would

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come in you know people that looked like

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they'd just gotten off work or you know

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just a normal mom like one of I like a

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waitress would come in and then they

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would like very quietly and almost like

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they were ashamed they would come in and

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tell an incredible story like either

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they had seen a UFO or they had been

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having this reoccurring nightmare ever

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since childhood about these things that

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would come into their room a couple of

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people had seen cryptids and things like

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that and rather than being supportive

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and kind of taking these people you know

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in their arms I found that a lot of the

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members of that particular MUFON chapter

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were more an investigative or they were

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taking apart the story or picking apart

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the person and they just really didn't

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give a crap that they were under like

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some serious stress and also possibly

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trauma so what I started doing was at

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the end of meetings I would kind of

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sneak up to these people and say hey you

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know we're really supposed to be a

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service to the community and how can I

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help you

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like how can I support you better like

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is there something I can do and more

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often than not we would end up staying

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late after the meeting and they would

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open up to me a bit more because I would

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just talk to them you know person to

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person experience or to experience her I

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was like man these stories are amazing

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somebody should really be writing them

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elektra are you writing them down and

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they say no I've actually never talked

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about this in my entire life so

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eventually I became the person that

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started writing those down and

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preserving them and it's starting to do

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my own research that's where it comes in

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and I mean firsthand testimony is

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sometimes all we have to rely on when it

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comes to these cases I mean yeah dates

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times of events are important obviously

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a scientific approach to ufology is very

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important but none of this would happen

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or none of this would progress if it

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weren't for the witness themselves

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telling this story so it's so good to

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hear that someone is doing that

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especially within MUFON sort of the most

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visible UFO research organization out

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there so I'd love to touch on that

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briefly with you when you joined MUFON

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how does this work because I'm not real

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not a MUFON member never have been I've

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spoken to many people who have been but

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when somebody reports a UFO sighting or

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even a you know an experience or close

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encounter with MUFON how does that go

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like you report it and then what happens

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there's two different ways to go about

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it either you can report a sighting and

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that's through their website and you'll

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be assigned to your case will be

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assigned a number and then it will be

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assigned to a local chapter where it

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will be investigated unfortunately it's

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not a perfect system I've seen many at

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times where cases have been investigated

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and then there's been no follow up with

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the witness at all they have no idea

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what happened and they probably never

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will the best that we can do sometimes

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the good investigators that really are

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passionate and care about what they're

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doing like Earl Grey Anderson is a

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fantastic investigator oh yes absolutely

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he actually takes the time to call them

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and go over photographs and things like

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that and try to give them at least an

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idea you know whether or not he debunked

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it and said hey you know this is a

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balloon and this is why you thought what

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you saw or you know hey this is actually

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a very cool picture thank you for

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sending it in and then you can go the

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other route which is there er T program

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which is the experience or research team

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and that's held up by Miss Kathleen

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Mardan is that how you say your name I

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believe so yes yeah so what you would do

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that is then you'd go on the MUFON

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website and you would fill out their

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experience or questionnaire

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it's very short and very simple and you

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can choose to either be anonymous or you

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can choose to have them contact you back

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and when they contact you back if you

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should so choose they'll do an interview

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with you and they'll find out exactly

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what your experience was you know did

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you feel that you were an abductee or

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were you a contact II and what they're

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going to do is while they're going

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through these interviews with you

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they're going to be looking for certain

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markers and these markers are what

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they're going to be taking to compare

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against other cases for their research

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to get those patterns of research going

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so I can't speak that it's like they

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can't guarantee you 100% confidentiality

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they just can't like we've had leaks

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happen all the time but if you're if

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you're interested in actually being part

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of a study that's pretty big and only

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getting bigger and sharing with other

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other organizations that do that as well

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I can recommend the MUFON experience or

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research team they're pretty good no is

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this at all connected Nikita to be on

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the free organization they're separate

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entities but they do they do work

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together from time to time they do share

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information the free study just

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published a wonderful book I don't have

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it with me I know I mentioned it in

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hysteria 51 and I do believe that MUFON

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is working on their own book I don't

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know what it will be ready though

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interesting yeah because I remember I

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had ray Hernandez on briefly wants to

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talk about that and it's so interesting

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to see that there's like different

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groups that are doing this but they're

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sharing their information and I think

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that's what's most important is a lot of

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UFO researchers whether they're

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scientists or culturist so or

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psychologists like they they hold it so

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close to the chest you know they they

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want to save that one case for some

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rainy day fund as it were and when it's

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theirs but I feel that changing no

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within the UFO field is a lot of these

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younger people getting involved because

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they're so you know privy to the

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Internet and web texting and emailing

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and all this stuff we live in the

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digital age with they're willing to

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share stuff with one another

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and I think that's super exciting to see

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that you know even MUFON who let's be

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honest they haven't gotten the best

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reputation in the past decade or so that

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they are stepping up and progressing and

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sharing their information and becoming

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more transparent I think that's very

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important as well right there's a

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there's a lot of strong opinions about

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mouflon but I think that it's fair to

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say that you know they are out there and

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they are doing something and I believe

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that they're a wonderful platform to

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meet people I'm a freelancer I don't

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share any of my cases with MUFON or the

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free program or anything they're they're

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mine they're private however I would not

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have met many of my most cherished

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mentors like Peter Robbins or Earl Grey

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Anderson or Michael Wright out without

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MUFON so if you're looking for people

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that have a similar mindset and you know

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they're not gonna back away slowly

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before they turn around and run it may

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benefit you to sign up on a MUFON

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Facebook page or attend one or two

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meetings just kind of feel it out you

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don't have to be a member to do that

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absolutely and I mean you mentioned two

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names right there that I'm very familiar

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with Earl Grey is a close friend of mine

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and colleague we have been working on a

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case that he investigated a while back

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and just to see his reports and to see

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like the investigation that he did I

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think Earl writes those reports with his

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own hearts blood that's God actually he

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is about experience or research in UFOs

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and Peter Robbins - just - amazingly

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well educated a well-read gentleman

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Michael Wright out as well you should

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get to know him he does UFO cold cases

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okay okay I'll definitely have to look

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into him yeah I mean I can tell that

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these people you're mentioning these are

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a lot of the more empathetic people I

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would say in the experiencer sort of

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realm and peter robbins being a close

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mentor of mine as well you know i meet

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with them at least once a month here in

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new york city because we are both

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theatre nerds at heart there's been our

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whole lives growing up in the theater

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and then we just happened to have this

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UFO thing in common as well so he always

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taught me when you are interviewing

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people you have to

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have empathy it doesn't matter if you

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believe them or not like you have to

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cast judgment aside and just record what

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they're telling you do you agree with

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that yeah and that's one of the reasons

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why I kind of moved away from those

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organizations because some people within

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them we're starting to become almost

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exploitative of experiencers where they

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were just getting whatever whatever

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interviews they could they were kind of

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cherry-picking which facts they kind of

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felt would go along with their book or

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whatever and then they would ignore the

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rest of the story so when I do the

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preservations that I do you know there's

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going to be a lot of stories that maybe

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most of it is very hyperbolic but

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there's going to be one or two of those

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little gems in there that I would never

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have known if I hadn't paid attention

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the whole time I guess I'd love to hear

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your personal approach okay so like how

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do you find these people that you talk

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to do they come to you do you go to them

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and um how does their first interaction

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go and where does it go from there my

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approach is very I feel like it's very

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gentle I'm an experienced er as well so

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when I approach someone I don't approach

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them like I would a doctor I'm not there

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to diagnose you or find out what's wrong

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with you I don't come at you like a

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psychologist I'm not there to study you

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or to write a book or anything like that

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you know and I'm not there to

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investigate you and to rip apart every

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big detail of your story to see if

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you're telling me the truth I'm there

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you know I just want to have a cup of

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coffee with you I want to I want to

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learn them a little bit about you and

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you know if you want I'll turn on my

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recorder or I completely turn it off and

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we just have a talk about you know where

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your life has been and where you're

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going and what are some of the

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interesting things you've seen that you

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can't explain and that's where the term

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experience are come from it's just it's

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someone that experiences yeah and that's

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a good point

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I mean experiencer is sort of a new term

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that a lot of us have been using in

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contrast to abductee so I'd love to get

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your thoughts on that like what is the

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comparison between what we consider an

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alien abductee and in experience er

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generally I think the nomenclature

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abductee seems to be like you were taken

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against your will versus a contact II

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where you were kind of asking them to

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come contact you

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I prefer experience or just

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because it sounds it sounds a lot nicer

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and more palatable than like yes I am a

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local werewolf survivor it's nice to

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meet you I am a completely normal sane

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person a trap no you can be an

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experiencer and I believe John Mac used

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it quite a bit but I don't know the

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origin of the term experiencer but it I

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think again it's responsible and it's

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healthy to to use these sort of terms

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because like you said a lot of these

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people aren't claiming that they were

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taken against their will they were more

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than willing to experience these things

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with whatever they might be whether it's

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a non-human intelligence or something

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multi-dimensional or I don't even know

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that the possibilities are endless and

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it it doesn't put it in that small tiny

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box of we are dealing with little green

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men kidnapping people you know what I

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mean absolutely and people don't even

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like to say UFO anymore they like to go

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some people see anomalous aircraft just

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because the term UFO has so much stigma

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behind it years and years I mean when

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you really think about it the term UFO

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was coined by Edward ruppelt the guy who

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started Project Blue Book so right there

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it was all ready to sort of calm the

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nerves and be like we're not calling

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them flying saucers anymore we don't

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want people thinking these are like nuts

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and bolts alien craft so yeah I do see

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that changing you hear the term UAP a

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lot more I'm gonna admit it's really

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hard after being like conditioned for so

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long to say UFO but um I guess we just

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got to move along with the times I also

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one of the things that I do which a lot

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of people don't do is I also interview

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kids number one I love talking to kids

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because they just have no social

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boundaries and they always tell the

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truth and I think they're hilarious but

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when I come up to them you know I don't

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use any jargon and you can't because

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they won't understand I was just going

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to them and I say hey sometimes your

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mommy talks to me and she says that you

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saw something weird can you please tell

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me about that and just the things that

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they'll take off with can be amazing if

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you just leave it open-ended like that

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without any suggestion or any parameters

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for how this story has to go if you

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actually just sit down and listen to a

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kid I think that they're the most

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incredible experiences I've ever

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- yeah I guess I never really thought

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about that we always have this image of

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like someone middle-aged having these

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experiences but these things happen to

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kids as well I mean I I spoke to many

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experiencers who they were recalling

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events that happened to them when they

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were kids so that's fascinating so is

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that would you say that's a big

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percentage of the stories you've been

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told were from children no but I do try

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to keep I try to keep it well-rounded I

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interview mostly adults with in their

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late 20s to early 60s but the people

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that I find that are mostly ignored are

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after 70 and under 10 and I think that

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you know they think that either they're

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making it up or it's for imagination

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purposes or maybe they just want

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attention

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but I'm talking I've talked to some -

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some three and four-year-olds that have

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just explained to me these these objects

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and these sites and I'm like you don't

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even have a TV I know that you didn't

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see that on TV and I know that your your

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friend isn't coming up and telling you

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and describing the exact shape of a

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cigar UFO with a falling leaf motion

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it's it's amazing and especially the

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guys that are older than 70 they have

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some really amazing stories - like the

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veterans have incredible stories about

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the things that they've seen I guess now

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that they're older they don't really

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care about the government coming after

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them they're like f it you know

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what if they're gonna kill me they're

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gonna kill me it's time that's a really

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good point deathbed confessions are

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often some of the best stories we we

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come across in this field and you do

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have to you gotta listen because there's

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gonna be some that could ultimately

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change all our work moving forward for

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sure yeah are there any stories or

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anything

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Nikita that you would feel comfortable

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sharing with us in terms of people you'd

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interviewed I know you know there's a

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lot of rules when it comes to

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confidentiality and these people confide

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in you but anything you could sort of

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talk to about with us on a broader scale

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in terms of people you've interviewed

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absolutely I mean I do take

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confidentiality very seriously sometimes

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if I take notes and then they're kind of

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uncomfortable with the notes like I'll

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rip my paper out and they'll give them

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00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:48,790
the notes you know I'll show them that

545
00:20:52,770 --> 00:20:51,310
my phone is off but to also tie in your

546
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:52,780
previous question of how Keith

547
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:55,840
find me it can be you know I'm a mutual

548
00:21:00,780 --> 00:20:58,690
friend on Facebook or just completely

549
00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:00,790
random and what I mean random I do mean

550
00:21:05,670 --> 00:21:02,590
random and this is probably the funniest

551
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:05,680
experience or story I have is that I was

552
00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:07,690
filming in Austin for the Travel Channel

553
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:08,860
I don't know if I told you this already

554
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,440
Ryan Christopher Garrett on Oh has a new

555
00:21:15,540 --> 00:21:13,600
show coming out called strange world mmm

556
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:15,550
yes yes and it's premiering on the

557
00:21:19,530 --> 00:21:17,530
Travel Channel in October well he asked

558
00:21:21,090 --> 00:21:19,540
he asked me to come up to Austin and

559
00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:21,100
bring an experiencer because he had a

560
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:23,740
whole episode about the midnight hour

561
00:21:27,530 --> 00:21:25,210
and the things that come out at night

562
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:27,540
and you know things like that very cool

563
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:30,250
incredible integrity if you ever get the

564
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:31,690
chance to work with him I definitely

565
00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:34,450
recommend it yes I love his work so this

566
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,430
experience sir and I we're like you know

567
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,080
what we're away from the kids for the

568
00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:39,520
day let's just go to a beach so you know

569
00:21:43,740 --> 00:21:41,740
we got our swimsuits you know we we very

570
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:43,750
subtly packed a cooler with some adult

571
00:21:47,790 --> 00:21:45,970
beverages and went down to the beach

572
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:47,800
well we're kind of looking around and we

573
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:49,450
realized that we had ended up at hippy

574
00:21:56,970 --> 00:21:53,350
Hollow which is a nude beach nice okay I

575
00:21:59,730 --> 00:21:56,980
like where this story's going but like

576
00:22:01,140 --> 00:21:59,740
much much older people nude beach that

577
00:22:03,300 --> 00:22:01,150
were hippies that just don't care

578
00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:03,310
anymore but we're like whatever so I'm

579
00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:05,320
just laying there getting a tan and a

580
00:22:10,020 --> 00:22:07,900
guy comes and sits next to me very very

581
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:10,030
polite just kind of casually chatting

582
00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:12,010
about the water and I was kind of

583
00:22:14,820 --> 00:22:13,150
talking about the way that there were

584
00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:14,830
shadows in the waves and he's like you

585
00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:17,080
know when I started experimenting with

586
00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:19,030
lucid dreaming I started seeing a lot of

587
00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:21,100
shadow people and things were attacking

588
00:22:25,860 --> 00:22:23,320
me at night and we got into this great

589
00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:25,870
conversation about lucid dreaming and

590
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:27,700
control and the way that you can explore

591
00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:30,130
your consciousness without drugs and I

592
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:31,960
was so professional and I was so

593
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:34,750
intrigued and I just tried very hard to

594
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:36,850
not pay attention that his junk was like

595
00:22:44,670 --> 00:22:42,810
you're weird or if your story is

596
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:44,680
embarrassing you're never gonna top him

597
00:22:51,450 --> 00:22:47,340
I promise yeah

598
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:51,460
Wow that that is that that's I don't

599
00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:52,480
even know what to say to that I'm

600
00:22:58,170 --> 00:22:54,220
speechless I I can't say that I have

601
00:23:01,050 --> 00:22:58,180
ever interviewed a nude experiencer yeah

602
00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:01,060
I'm I'm just that kind of a professional

603
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:04,390
lady but yes sometimes they just they'll

604
00:23:08,790 --> 00:23:06,250
find me in the grocery store and tell me

605
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:08,800
about a near-death experience and then

606
00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:11,290
other times they'll usually contact me

607
00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:12,940
through either a friend or a mutual

608
00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:14,200
friend and those are the ones that are

609
00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:15,460
fun because I get to do the really

610
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:17,080
in-depth meeting and talk to them

611
00:23:21,210 --> 00:23:18,850
sometimes for several different sessions

612
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:21,220
and one of my favorite experience or

613
00:23:26,670 --> 00:23:24,730
stories ever was about a kid that was

614
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:26,680
going to school on a school bus in the

615
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:28,690
60s and he was sitting very close to the

616
00:23:32,490 --> 00:23:30,610
back all of a sudden he said the bus

617
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:32,500
pulled over for no reason and all the

618
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:34,210
lights out went out on the bus and he

619
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:35,710
said that the lights went out outside to

620
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:37,870
like the the clouds had just gone over

621
00:23:41,610 --> 00:23:39,700
the Sun very suddenly and everything was

622
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:41,620
very dark and when he looked all around

623
00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:43,600
him all of his classmates on the bus

624
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:45,790
driver were just asleep and slumped back

625
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:47,890
in their chair so he kind of crouched

626
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,450
down because he immediately started to

627
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:51,520
feel very scared and he said he didn't

628
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:53,410
know what it was at the time but he

629
00:23:58,350 --> 00:23:55,390
started to smell like that ozone

630
00:24:00,960 --> 00:23:58,360
heaviness in the air and that the school

631
00:24:03,450 --> 00:24:00,970
door bus doors opened and one of those

632
00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:03,460
big hooded cloaks jumped up on to the

633
00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:07,720
school bus okay it was so tall that it

634
00:24:12,030 --> 00:24:09,880
completely overcame the double doors

635
00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:12,040
that opened it caused the bus to slump

636
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:14,440
over and nobody woke up and that he

637
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,990
started pointing out different kids and

638
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:19,360
then he had the little the tiny graves

639
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:20,770
like the ones that are only two or three

640
00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:23,710
feet tall pick out a select two or three

641
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:27,100
kids took them off the bus he said that

642
00:24:32,010 --> 00:24:29,440
they were gone for about an hour brought

643
00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:32,020
them back and then just like that the

644
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:33,580
lights came back on the bus the Sun can

645
00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:35,170
make out the kids started talking again

646
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:37,480
and nobody nobody mentioned it at all

647
00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:39,310
and he's like did you guys did you guys

648
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:40,990
see that why were you all sleeping like

649
00:24:43,950 --> 00:24:42,850
what happened you know like why are you

650
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:43,960
freaking out be quiet

651
00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:45,610
they said that he they just ignored him

652
00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:48,550
but when the school bus actually got to

653
00:24:51,330 --> 00:24:50,200
the Air Force Base where it was going

654
00:24:53,130 --> 00:24:51,340
cuz he was going to school on an Air

655
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,140
Force Base the guards

656
00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:54,880
ripped the bus driver off of the bus

657
00:24:58,760 --> 00:24:57,070
because they had four hours of missing

658
00:25:00,920 --> 00:24:58,770
time

659
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:00,930
and this wasn't a remote road either

660
00:25:04,700 --> 00:25:03,090
there was one road to the base and run

661
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,710
road away from the base like you know

662
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:06,240
that they had been backtracking looking

663
00:25:09,740 --> 00:25:07,860
for him in these twenty or thirty kids

664
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:09,750
and they were just nowhere to be found

665
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,330
so that one scared the crap out of me

666
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,080
yeah that one's my favorite but some of

667
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:18,360
them are overwhelmingly positive like

668
00:25:22,790 --> 00:25:19,730
where they feel like they're talking to

669
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:22,800
like almost the energy of Gaia and the

670
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:25,440
earth and they kind of they look at it

671
00:25:28,550 --> 00:25:26,940
that way other people have had in

672
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:28,560
experiences with what they feel they're

673
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:31,050
like sh'mon experienced people I've

674
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,570
talked to the cryptid people are always

675
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:36,120
cool because they're they're not lying

676
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:37,980
but they they just do some incredibly

677
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:40,170
dumb things like oh there's a six-foot

678
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,910
tall dog man over there and I really

679
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,200
want to take a picture of it I'm like

680
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:45,360
why would you watch words oh yeah that's

681
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:47,940
a good point you do hear that often that

682
00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:50,760
oh there's there's a Bigfoot I'm gonna

683
00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:52,350
throw a rock at it and see how it

684
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:55,320
responds yeah I guess that's just

685
00:25:59,420 --> 00:25:56,940
classic human behavior

686
00:26:00,530 --> 00:25:59,430
my other favorite ones are I always like

687
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:00,540
to ask people about near-death

688
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:02,280
experiences and I think that that's

689
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,650
pretty common amongst experience or

690
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,960
stories is that once or multiple times

691
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:08,820
in their life they've had some instance

692
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:10,110
where they were like yeah I should have

693
00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:11,940
been maimed or I should have died and

694
00:26:17,770 --> 00:26:15,420
for whatever reason I'm okay yeah that's

695
00:26:21,890 --> 00:26:17,780
a good point a lot of people turn to um

696
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:21,900
Indies in terms of abduction experiences

697
00:26:26,380 --> 00:26:24,600
have you found any sort of correlations

698
00:26:29,540 --> 00:26:26,390
between these two different things

699
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:29,550
some of the correlations I found is I

700
00:26:35,300 --> 00:26:32,250
had one experience err that literally

701
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:35,310
fell off of a cliff and he he has no

702
00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:37,140
idea how he survived he said he woke up

703
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:39,180
in a very comfortable position and he

704
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:40,620
was just snuggled up and all of these

705
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,130
cactuses he said that it didn't hurt

706
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:46,500
until he got up but he fell over four

707
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:49,410
stories he should have died and then uh

708
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:51,330
Earl Grey recently wrote about a

709
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:54,120
near-death experience as well where his

710
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:56,130
parents got into a car accident and back

711
00:27:00,440 --> 00:26:57,690
in the day you know seatbelts were not a

712
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:00,450
thing they did a rollover and he was

713
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,370
thrown from the vehicle and when he woke

714
00:27:04,910 --> 00:27:04,080
up he was in between three different

715
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:04,920
rocks

716
00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:06,570
he said that should have should have

717
00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:08,550
mashed my brains very prettily against

718
00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:09,990
the grass but I was fine

719
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:12,540
so it's it's almost like something

720
00:27:18,140 --> 00:27:15,510
protects them or watches over them

721
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:18,150
other ones I have no idea that's a

722
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:19,919
really good point there is a gentleman I

723
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:22,530
talked to that was in the I believe the

724
00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:25,799
Navy and he had a in a close encounter

725
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:28,679
experience on his way to his first ever

726
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:30,360
like where he was going to be stationed

727
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,330
when he was in his like early 20s and he

728
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:35,760
had a close encounter experience and he

729
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:37,860
kind of brushed it aside he had a couple

730
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:40,290
beers after and went to the local bar

731
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:42,900
and then did his work but he he

732
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:45,210
attributes this experience that he had

733
00:27:51,980 --> 00:27:49,500
in his 20s to many really life-altering

734
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:51,990
close calls throughout his life he said

735
00:27:57,740 --> 00:27:54,090
I should have died like at least five

736
00:28:00,140 --> 00:27:57,750
times now and every time something

737
00:28:02,780 --> 00:28:00,150
either like miraculous or completely

738
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:02,790
coincidental has saved my life and I

739
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,290
feel like that all started when he had

740
00:28:09,020 --> 00:28:06,900
this when he says it all started when he

741
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:09,030
had this close encounter so that's

742
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:11,370
really interesting and it's extremely

743
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:13,020
prevalent and a lot of people say like

744
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:14,370
oh it's just coincidence it's just

745
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:16,049
coincidence I'm like if it was just

746
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:17,520
coincidence I would believe you at the

747
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:19,049
sixth or seventh time that you would

748
00:28:23,710 --> 00:28:20,610
have died like either you're very lucky

749
00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:23,720
or very unlucky I haven't decided yeah

750
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,040
yeah the debates still out on that one

751
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:28,559
Wow yeah those cases are really

752
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:31,080
interesting um sort of

753
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:33,059
I guess switching gears all right so

754
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:35,010
these are the people who you genuinely

755
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:37,650
believe and you preserve their stories

756
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,640
but there is that other side of all this

757
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:43,980
that we don't ever really want to talk

758
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:45,750
about but we have to and that's the

759
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:48,840
people who clearly are either delusional

760
00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:53,460
or exaggerated or just straight-up lying

761
00:28:58,340 --> 00:28:55,980
to our faces so have you ever had that

762
00:29:00,530 --> 00:28:58,350
experience where you had to like stop

763
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,540
them and be like I'm sorry I can't do

764
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:02,460
this have you ever had that awkward

765
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:05,480
moment because I know I have I have

766
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:07,860
thankfully it's only happened to me once

767
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:10,650
I feel like I have pretty good people

768
00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:13,020
skills and it's it's a rule of thumb and

769
00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:15,179
Peter Robbins helped and force this into

770
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,030
my brain he said stay away from fame and

771
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:19,919
fortune seekers and stay away from

772
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:21,450
somebody that's got something to prove

773
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:22,919
and just hope you don't get stuck in an

774
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:25,770
elevator with them that says like

775
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:29,640
Robbins yeah and I had a guy you know I

776
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:31,500
agreed to a pre-interview and in our

777
00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:34,410
pre-interview in under five minutes he

778
00:29:37,670 --> 00:29:36,180
told me that he was the one that was

779
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:37,680
astral projecting to Whitley Strieber

780
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,510
that Whitley Strieber was writing about

781
00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:42,240
him that he had worked at Roswell he

782
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:44,070
would had been in the underground bases

783
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:47,730
of Roswell that he he had worked he was

784
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:49,860
a Montauk boy he had had his mind

785
00:29:54,620 --> 00:29:52,380
changed around with the gorillas and I

786
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:54,630
was like I was listening very politely

787
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:56,460
but I was like you know like something

788
00:30:00,050 --> 00:29:58,530
just feels really off about this and

789
00:30:02,090 --> 00:30:00,060
it's it's so important as an

790
00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:02,100
investigator to trust your gut and just

791
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:03,900
see like you know what thank you so much

792
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:05,880
for your time I really appreciate it I

793
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:07,290
have some other things that I have to go

794
00:30:12,290 --> 00:30:09,530
do and then I did ever talk to him again

795
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:12,300
I'm pretty old-school when it comes to

796
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:14,130
you know the art of interviewing and the

797
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:15,720
art of journalism like I'm sure that you

798
00:30:20,150 --> 00:30:17,970
learned through trial and error where

799
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:20,160
people are going to tell you a story and

800
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,720
sometimes you're gonna ask them

801
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:23,520
questions that will either trip them up

802
00:30:26,030 --> 00:30:24,870
but you're gonna start at the end of the

803
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:26,040
story or you're gonna start at the

804
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:27,030
beginning of the story

805
00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:28,860
you're gonna purposely switch it around

806
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:30,780
a couple dates and then see if they stop

807
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:33,030
you and correct you so it's it's very

808
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,610
easy to lie to someone when you go from

809
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:37,500
beginning to end but when you start

810
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:39,510
taking apart their story in different

811
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,860
parts and having them put it back

812
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:43,140
together if they start really tripping

813
00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:44,910
up and having a hard time I know that

814
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:46,830
it's not a truthful account that's a

815
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:49,050
really really good point a lot of the

816
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:51,630
times you can tell because you're right

817
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:53,610
it's a script that they've basically

818
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,580
memorized at that point so if it's real

819
00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:58,980
if it's genuine you would hope that you

820
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:00,750
could start from anywhere and have them

821
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,210
tell you the same story so I I agree to

822
00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:06,240
those those same sort of journalistic

823
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:09,420
approaches is let me see let me see how

824
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:11,610
accurate they can be when I mix things

825
00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:13,710
up and put the pieces all over the place

826
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:16,230
and most of the time they can do it and

827
00:31:19,850 --> 00:31:17,580
that's when you know you've got like a

828
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:19,860
genuine experience or at least in my

829
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:22,410
opinion absolutely and then I also pay

830
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:25,230
attention to body language to tonal

831
00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:28,650
intonation I prefer just having a manual

832
00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:30,270
voice recorder rather than a camera

833
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:32,190
because I think cameras make people very

834
00:31:37,940 --> 00:31:34,800
fidgety and uncomfortable mm-hmm but

835
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:37,950
yeah fortunately for me you know I'm not

836
00:31:42,130 --> 00:31:38,990
famous I'm

837
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:42,140
rich like I rarely have people that seek

838
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:43,970
me out that want to lie to me for some

839
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:47,929
sort of personal gain right I and you

840
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:49,010
know what I think that's your biggest

841
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:51,770
strength is you're not out there writing

842
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:54,410
a book based on someone's experience in

843
00:31:58,450 --> 00:31:55,700
making all this money while they're

844
00:32:01,510 --> 00:31:58,460
getting the ridicule in the baggage that

845
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:01,520
comes with coming forward you know it's

846
00:32:08,169 --> 00:32:05,510
tough and when I wrote my book I I told

847
00:32:11,410 --> 00:32:08,179
every single person that I spoke to like

848
00:32:13,330 --> 00:32:11,420
are you sure are you sure you want to do

849
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:13,340
this because once it's out there there's

850
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:15,920
no turning back at that point and I

851
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:19,130
would say 99.9% of the people in my book

852
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:20,960
said yes I want to do this I want to use

853
00:32:25,630 --> 00:32:23,510
my real name I trust you with my story

854
00:32:26,860 --> 00:32:25,640
and when they say that I didn't know

855
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:26,870
about you Nikita when they say they

856
00:32:30,910 --> 00:32:28,910
trust you with their story and nobody

857
00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:30,920
else that was enough for me to be like

858
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,520
wow

859
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:33,679
like this is real now like I'm about to

860
00:32:38,049 --> 00:32:35,929
publish this thing with these people's

861
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:38,059
accounts and that's going to impact

862
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:40,970
their lives you know their co-worker is

863
00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:43,130
gonna read that their doctor is gonna

864
00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:45,500
read that their kids are gonna read

865
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,350
about this it's it's it's crazy it is

866
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,720
and you you do the same thing I do

867
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,120
you've given them the incredible gift of

868
00:32:57,549 --> 00:32:55,760
their own voice back to them and it's

869
00:32:59,740 --> 00:32:57,559
not so much that you and I work to have

870
00:33:02,290 --> 00:32:59,750
other people believe these experiencers

871
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:02,300
we work with the experiencer so they can

872
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:05,330
believe themselves you're not crazy and

873
00:33:09,730 --> 00:33:07,490
you're not weird you just saw something

874
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:09,740
that you can't explain and that doesn't

875
00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:11,390
mean that there's any deficit that has

876
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:13,670
to do with you and those are my three

877
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:15,050
big things that I always try to tell

878
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:17,510
experiencers is that you know number one

879
00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:19,100
just because something weird happened to

880
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:21,620
you it doesn't make you weird and that

881
00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:23,510
you should honor yourself because you

882
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,270
survived and I had an experiencer that

883
00:33:30,730 --> 00:33:28,880
when he was 8 years old he was being

884
00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:30,740
just constantly harassed by these

885
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:33,260
entities I don't know what they were

886
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:34,670
they may have been the children with the

887
00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:35,690
black eyes or they may have been

888
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:37,940
something much more sinister but they

889
00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:39,770
kept trying to get him to lure other

890
00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:42,350
kids out into the forest tell them like

891
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:43,670
oh you know your friends will believe

892
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:45,140
you if you bring them out here you know

893
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:46,640
will show them our ship you don't just

894
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:47,990
bring your friends everything will be

895
00:33:51,910 --> 00:33:49,610
fine don't you want your friends to like

896
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:51,920
you and he said that

897
00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:53,510
he wouldn't bring any more kids out

898
00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:55,400
there that these entities made his life

899
00:34:00,280 --> 00:33:58,220
a living hell and I had to stop em and I

900
00:34:03,550 --> 00:34:00,290
said you know we really need to take a

901
00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:03,560
second here and honor 8 year old you we

902
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:05,150
need to honor him because he survived

903
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:07,130
and we need to honor him because of what

904
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:09,260
he did because if he didn't do it you

905
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:10,820
wouldn't be here today and there would

906
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:12,110
be a lot more harm to that would have

907
00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:13,490
been and done to all those other kids

908
00:34:21,850 --> 00:34:18,230
and he just started to cry yeah it's

909
00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:21,860
it's it's really interesting it reminds

910
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:24,500
me often of the work that people do with

911
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:26,690
victims of trauma or I should say

912
00:34:30,970 --> 00:34:28,790
survivors victim was the wrong word

913
00:34:32,890 --> 00:34:30,980
excuse me no you're in the right path

914
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:32,900
there that that's my other specialty is

915
00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:35,090
I do a lot of research with trauma and

916
00:34:41,169 --> 00:34:39,020
PTSD and and that's that's kind of where

917
00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:41,179
I'm coming from is that these people

918
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:42,710
already have their story and they've

919
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:44,000
already had the stigma and they've

920
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:45,500
already had the heartache and the shame

921
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,750
and everything else it's time to just

922
00:34:51,730 --> 00:34:50,480
listen and sometimes just listening is

923
00:34:53,409 --> 00:34:51,740
like more than these people could ever

924
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:53,419
have imagined I'm like well you know

925
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:54,980
your story was amazing would you like me

926
00:34:58,330 --> 00:34:56,810
to preserve that and they're like no I

927
00:35:00,220 --> 00:34:58,340
think I just wanted someone to listen

928
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:00,230
and then they disappear forever

929
00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:02,570
yeah it's closure it's its closure for a

930
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:04,790
lot of people to just get it out there

931
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:07,220
you know no matter what sort of stigma

932
00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:09,110
or ridicule they may have thought would

933
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:11,540
happen just getting the story out there

934
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:13,250
whether it's written down or not is

935
00:35:18,490 --> 00:35:16,730
enough for some people yeah it is yeah

936
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,500
well what do you say to those people

937
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Nikita who who don't put much stock into

938
00:35:25,630 --> 00:35:23,450
witness testimony you know when it comes

939
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:25,640
to like investigating UFOs they want

940
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:27,710
evidence they want trace evidence they

941
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:29,930
want that nuts and bolts flying saucer

942
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:31,820
what do you say to those out there who

943
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:34,220
put absolutely no stock in witness

944
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,680
testimony I always tell them and it

945
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,720
makes them mad and I don't know why I

946
00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:40,880
say if you want to know how a car

947
00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:43,430
accident happened stop staring at the

948
00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:45,350
tire treads on the ground and go talk to

949
00:35:49,330 --> 00:35:47,000
the people on the sidewalk that watched

950
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:49,340
it happen so I think that it's it's good

951
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:51,770
that it goes it goes hand-in-hand with

952
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:54,050
as much physical evidence as you

953
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:56,180
possibly can but I think that a lot of

954
00:35:59,830 --> 00:35:57,530
these things that people are interacting

955
00:36:02,050 --> 00:35:59,840
with they don't leave much of that

956
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:02,060
evidence behind and we just we just have

957
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:04,380
them in their story well I mean

958
00:36:09,529 --> 00:36:06,990
that what is sort of your goal in

959
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:09,539
preserving these stories you know can

960
00:36:13,819 --> 00:36:11,490
the can they work in tandem with

961
00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:13,829
physical evidence and what do you

962
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:16,559
personally hope to I guess what do you

963
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:18,900
hope will happen with these stories when

964
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:20,910
it comes to UFO and experience or

965
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:23,940
research I'm just so sad at how much

966
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:25,890
testimony and how much evidence has

967
00:36:30,019 --> 00:36:28,410
already been lost because of stigma and

968
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:30,029
how many people have passed away

969
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:32,220
you know never telling their story or

970
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,630
you know swearing someone else to

971
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,359
secrecy and you know as experiencers

972
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:37,920
you're not as alone as you think you are

973
00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:39,990
there are other people out there that

974
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:41,670
have seen what you've seen and that have

975
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:43,380
felt the terror that you have felt and

976
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:45,690
they've felt that loneliness and I think

977
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,210
that the only way for us to really

978
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:49,680
explore that and to learn more about it

979
00:36:53,329 --> 00:36:51,960
is to start really just recording these

980
00:36:55,460 --> 00:36:53,339
the best that we can and start

981
00:36:57,140 --> 00:36:55,470
preserving them so that even if we're

982
00:36:59,539 --> 00:36:57,150
not getting much out of the research now

983
00:37:01,309 --> 00:36:59,549
in the future I could meet one

984
00:37:03,499 --> 00:37:01,319
experiencer that has one story that

985
00:37:05,269 --> 00:37:03,509
could blow up my whole board with all my

986
00:37:07,789 --> 00:37:05,279
pushpins and make me go hallelujah

987
00:37:10,249 --> 00:37:07,799
that's such a good point I'm talking to

988
00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:10,259
a witness right now and as I'm going

989
00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:12,750
through all the things he told me it

990
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:15,150
just it dawned on me and I had to go

991
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:16,740
back to a case that I've been looking at

992
00:37:22,009 --> 00:37:19,529
like almost eight years ago and finding

993
00:37:24,019 --> 00:37:22,019
these connections between them and those

994
00:37:28,609 --> 00:37:24,029
are the moments in this research we're

995
00:37:30,859 --> 00:37:28,619
like holy like either these events

996
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,869
could have been connected or we're

997
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:32,960
possibly dealing with the same

998
00:37:37,309 --> 00:37:35,730
phenomenon so those are the moments like

999
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,319
you said it doesn't matter if the case

1000
00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:40,079
happened 20 years ago or today if you

1001
00:37:46,819 --> 00:37:43,950
can find correlations and even a common

1002
00:37:48,769 --> 00:37:46,829
ground between witnesses that's more

1003
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:48,779
than you can ever truly ask for with

1004
00:37:54,799 --> 00:37:51,089
such a like complex phenomenon in my

1005
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,809
opinion absolutely and for us phenomena

1006
00:37:58,460 --> 00:37:56,400
was different things back then like if

1007
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:58,470
you start researching ley lines or you

1008
00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,599
start researching the Fae and you know

1009
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,700
people that were drawn away by fairy

1010
00:38:06,859 --> 00:38:05,160
portals like these are incidences that

1011
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,869
were happening a hundreds of years ago

1012
00:38:10,549 --> 00:38:08,940
just like missing for one one where kids

1013
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:10,559
would just disappear or people would

1014
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,210
cross a river and ever to be seen again

1015
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,700
like where the heck are they going we

1016
00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:16,440
used to call them fairies now what are

1017
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:18,080
we calling them a

1018
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:21,380
good good point it's very valet and it's

1019
00:38:25,810 --> 00:38:23,570
your right it's like the phenomena

1020
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:25,820
repackages itself as we sort of move

1021
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:29,630
forward what technical technologically

1022
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:31,730
or I don't know what do you think I

1023
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:33,650
think it's I think it's an interactive

1024
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,000
phenomena and that it enjoys

1025
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:37,280
cat-and-mouse it's like just when just

1026
00:38:41,020 --> 00:38:38,810
when you think that you're on the cusp

1027
00:38:41,590 --> 00:38:41,030
of something it'll disappear for six

1028
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,600
months

1029
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:44,480
yeah what I find is that the more the

1030
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:46,430
more I ignore my work and the more that

1031
00:38:51,010 --> 00:38:48,680
I'm not preserving experience or stories

1032
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:51,020
and I'm not kind of I've just kind of

1033
00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:52,580
ignored it and put it aside for other

1034
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:53,270
stuff

1035
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:55,490
they'll just start popping up to me like

1036
00:39:00,930 --> 00:38:57,170
the people in the grocery store or

1037
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:00,940
people at nude beaches or people in bars

1038
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:04,310
yeah yeah they they just keep coming

1039
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:07,250
he went whether you like it or not you

1040
00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:08,750
know that thing that you're not doing

1041
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:10,520
you should be doing it I'm like okay for

1042
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,710
now I'm gonna find don't you good point

1043
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:15,200
it push and prods you sometimes when you

1044
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:17,210
least expect it and you're right I love

1045
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:19,310
it it's very junk he'll ask if you

1046
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:21,470
really think about it let's turn to

1047
00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:23,930
something that you and I discussed off

1048
00:39:30,930 --> 00:39:27,470
air that is kind of kind of the elephant

1049
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:30,940
in the room when it comes to researching

1050
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:35,090
alien abductions or experiences and

1051
00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:38,420
that's hypnotic regression I can't tell

1052
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:41,240
you how many experiences I talk to who

1053
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:42,290
have said that they were put under

1054
00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:44,900
hypnosis and that's when I I don't I

1055
00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:47,480
don't discount their experience by any

1056
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:49,820
stretch of the imagination but that's

1057
00:39:53,890 --> 00:39:52,040
when I really start to get worried when

1058
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:53,900
they tell me oh yeah I've been going to

1059
00:39:59,620 --> 00:39:56,090
these sessions for the past two years

1060
00:40:02,290 --> 00:39:59,630
and I'm just like okay who did it what

1061
00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:02,300
are their credentials what did they say

1062
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:04,700
to you what do you make of hypnotic

1063
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:07,060
regression in the work you do Nikita

1064
00:40:12,310 --> 00:40:09,770
professionally the way that I do it and

1065
00:40:14,770 --> 00:40:12,320
the way that I believe the science is

1066
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:14,780
finally catching up it's that I just

1067
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:17,210
don't think it's necessary to do the

1068
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:19,670
hypnotherapy there's plenty of other

1069
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:21,890
evidence-based therapies and I've talked

1070
00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:23,690
with several psychologists and

1071
00:40:27,490 --> 00:40:25,400
psychiatrists about this and they say

1072
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:27,500
you know so many people run to hypnosis

1073
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:29,060
to try and figure out like oh there's

1074
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:30,230
these things but I don't understand

1075
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:31,490
and I want to remember and I want to

1076
00:40:36,940 --> 00:40:34,609
remember and they say imagine that a

1077
00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:36,950
lake is about to flood would you rather

1078
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,020
tear down the whole dam or would you

1079
00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:41,359
open up the valves slowly and let the

1080
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:44,540
water come out as it would and I think a

1081
00:40:47,859 --> 00:40:46,730
lot of people go to hypnosis they go to

1082
00:40:50,130 --> 00:40:47,869
someone that doesn't know what they're

1083
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:50,140
doing they don't have any training in

1084
00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:52,310
post-traumatic stress disorder they

1085
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,750
don't have any training and suicide

1086
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,000
prevention or anything like that you can

1087
00:40:59,590 --> 00:40:57,680
still call yourself a hypnotherapist

1088
00:41:02,260 --> 00:40:59,600
without any form of accredited degree in

1089
00:41:04,060 --> 00:41:02,270
psychology or counseling and it's it's

1090
00:41:06,820 --> 00:41:04,070
just extremely dangerous and when these

1091
00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:06,830
people do end up having these recovered

1092
00:41:11,830 --> 00:41:09,560
memories or dreams that they think are

1093
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:11,840
recovered memories you know they'll be

1094
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:13,850
fine after the session but it could be

1095
00:41:17,410 --> 00:41:15,490
days or weeks later

1096
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:17,420
unfortunately they end up committing

1097
00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:19,550
suicide because they just can't come to

1098
00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:22,030
terms with what they feel happened and

1099
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:24,920
that's not just me saying that I've had

1100
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:26,810
several experiences and people from

1101
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:28,850
MUFON say like yeah we have followed up

1102
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:30,530
a few of those leads and they did commit

1103
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:32,510
suicide after hypnosis we think that's

1104
00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:35,810
what really tipped him over so one thing

1105
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,550
that I do like to suggest instead is

1106
00:41:40,990 --> 00:41:38,960
that if you really want to learn more

1107
00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:41,000
about your experience like you know you

1108
00:41:44,620 --> 00:41:42,830
know something happened but part of your

1109
00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:44,630
mind is just blacking it out whether

1110
00:41:49,810 --> 00:41:46,910
it's to protect you or whether it's

1111
00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:49,820
something that the phenomena did you can

1112
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:51,470
try something called a prolonged

1113
00:41:55,870 --> 00:41:53,450
exposure therapy and you can do it at

1114
00:41:58,060 --> 00:41:55,880
home just get a recorder or you know use

1115
00:42:00,220 --> 00:41:58,070
your recorder on your phone tell your

1116
00:42:02,170 --> 00:42:00,230
story tell it with as much detail as you

1117
00:42:04,359 --> 00:42:02,180
possibly can if you were a little kid

1118
00:42:06,070 --> 00:42:04,369
how old were you what color will your

1119
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:06,080
sheets what color was your wallpaper

1120
00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:08,270
what does your room smell like you know

1121
00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:10,040
what kind of pajamas are you wearing as

1122
00:42:14,109 --> 00:42:12,680
much detail as you possibly can and just

1123
00:42:16,359 --> 00:42:14,119
go through this whole experience from

1124
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:16,369
beginning to end and then every night

1125
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:18,350
before you go to bed just get really

1126
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:20,450
nice and calm you know no alcohol no

1127
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:22,910
sleep aids nothing and listen to it on

1128
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:25,490
recording at least five to ten times and

1129
00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:27,650
the more you listen to it the more

1130
00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:29,000
details you're going to start to

1131
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,190
remember slowly and the more you talk

1132
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:32,960
about it with friends that you trust and

1133
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:34,280
the more that you listen to this story

1134
00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:35,930
and you prolong yourself to that

1135
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:38,359
exposure the more you will remember you

1136
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,730
just have to be patient your mind is not

1137
00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:42,560
meant to be like cracked open like a

1138
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:43,470
walnut you

1139
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,430
to be careful I'm you're suppressing

1140
00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:49,200
those memories for your own safety

1141
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,300
that's what your brain does it keeps you

1142
00:42:56,750 --> 00:42:54,960
safe 95% of the time I'm against

1143
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:56,760
hypnotherapy and then I talked

1144
00:43:01,310 --> 00:42:58,770
extensively to Peter Robbins about his

1145
00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:01,320
work with Budd Hopkins and you know they

1146
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:02,760
worked with a psychiatrist her name was

1147
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,370
Aphrodite something or other yeah they

1148
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:07,800
have very very good controls he worked

1149
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:09,480
with some amazingly talented and

1150
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:12,530
qualified people to do it safely and I

1151
00:43:16,190 --> 00:43:14,580
I'm gonna have to give it to Peter

1152
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:16,200
Robbins that you know if you're ready to

1153
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,420
do it and if you're prepared to come

1154
00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:20,880
with the consequences of knowing all of

1155
00:43:25,070 --> 00:43:22,830
those details of what happened to you

1156
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:25,080
you know then go ahead and try it after

1157
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:26,370
you've tried these other evidence-based

1158
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:29,730
therapies I love that I mean if that's

1159
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:31,770
it's so good to hear that someone who is

1160
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:34,230
working directly with experiencers say

1161
00:43:38,330 --> 00:43:36,090
that because it's so hard when you're in

1162
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,340
this field and you make friends and you

1163
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:40,380
make colleagues and there are those

1164
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:43,850
people out there who are known to be

1165
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:46,500
hypnotherapists in the UFO field and

1166
00:43:50,330 --> 00:43:47,910
that's the first moment where I'm like

1167
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:50,340
run run for the hills if they already

1168
00:43:54,260 --> 00:43:52,110
have this preconceived notion that you

1169
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,270
were abducted by aliens it's going to

1170
00:43:59,540 --> 00:43:56,880
influence the regression in my opinion

1171
00:44:02,420 --> 00:43:59,550
again that's nothing against those

1172
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:02,430
people who are doing it I do feel that

1173
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:05,430
they have the best intentions in mind

1174
00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:07,680
but they already come to it to the table

1175
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:10,470
with you know the preconceived notion

1176
00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:12,630
and say I can't say it any simpler yeah

1177
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,870
and you can you can it's so easy Ryan I

1178
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:17,760
can be interviewing so much else with my

1179
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:20,220
body language I can give them suggestion

1180
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,110
and they're altering their story a

1181
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:24,420
little bit if my body language is too

1182
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:26,250
tight and my arms are crossed and my

1183
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:28,140
legs are crossed they think that I'm

1184
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:29,880
unhappy and that I'm not enjoying the

1185
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:31,260
story and then they start giving me more

1186
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,490
details and they start getting more

1187
00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:34,800
nervous and I'm like okay first of all

1188
00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:35,550
calm down

1189
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:37,350
you're taking way too much suggestions

1190
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,750
so I have to I have to be very careful

1191
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,240
you know that you don't hurt people more

1192
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:44,220
than you're trying to help them that's

1193
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:45,870
the whole point is you're trying to help

1194
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,570
them remember what actually happened not

1195
00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:50,460
suggest what very much could have

1196
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:53,400
possibly been a dream yeah do you do you

1197
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:55,380
have you come across that often where

1198
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:56,910
you've you've done

1199
00:45:01,040 --> 00:44:58,170
these sort of things and you're like uh

1200
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:01,050
I think I don't know if this actually

1201
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,610
happened to them it sounds like a really

1202
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:06,000
vivid dream or could it be both I think

1203
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:08,520
that sometimes I work a lot with trauma

1204
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,680
and PTSD and as you know one of the side

1205
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:12,720
effects of like a head injury like

1206
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:15,720
traumatic brain injury is hallucinations

1207
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,450
and they sure as hell feel real and they

1208
00:45:22,250 --> 00:45:20,400
smell real and they hurt just like a

1209
00:45:24,830 --> 00:45:22,260
regular experience but that doesn't

1210
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:24,840
necessarily mean that it happened so I

1211
00:45:29,180 --> 00:45:27,150
do a whole bunch of research I reach out

1212
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,190
to professionals and as often as I can

1213
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:31,200
and I feel like hey I understand that

1214
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:32,490
you really want to get to the bottom of

1215
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,290
what happened to you but you need to go

1216
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:36,480
to a doctor first because I don't want

1217
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:38,220
you to feel uncomfortable or starting to

1218
00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:40,500
get stressed out it's a delicate line

1219
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:43,590
you have to walk especially with people

1220
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,270
that have post-traumatic stress disorder

1221
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,800
you know and then sometimes they'll have

1222
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:48,300
blackouts and sometimes they'll have

1223
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:50,670
false memories and sometimes you'll just

1224
00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:52,710
be trying so damn hard to remember what

1225
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,390
that alien looked like your brain will

1226
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,400
just feed you an image that you saw when

1227
00:46:00,560 --> 00:45:58,560
you were a kid it's why I do so much

1228
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:00,570
research is because I refuse to ignore

1229
00:46:03,620 --> 00:46:02,910
the parts of the experiencing that I

1230
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:03,630
don't like

1231
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,610
I refuse to ignore that you know not

1232
00:46:08,780 --> 00:46:07,140
everybody is going to tell me the truth

1233
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,790
you know there are going to be Liars

1234
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,440
I refuse to ignore that you know

1235
00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:12,480
sometimes hypnotherapy does help people

1236
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:14,220
and it does help them get a better story

1237
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:17,550
and I refused to ignore you know that

1238
00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:20,580
sometimes people will just add in extra

1239
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,470
details when they don't necessarily mean

1240
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:25,680
to the intention isn't to mislead the

1241
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:27,950
person interviewing them it's just it's

1242
00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:30,810
subconsciously you're just trying to you

1243
00:46:35,810 --> 00:46:33,750
know fill in those gaps but yeah it's

1244
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,820
got to be tough but what I will never

1245
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:37,500
ever ever shut up about is the

1246
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:39,960
exploitation of experiencers like I hate

1247
00:46:43,850 --> 00:46:42,420
it I hate the people that just rip out

1248
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:43,860
their innards and their heart and soul

1249
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:44,910
because they're trying to write a book

1250
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:47,070
or get a good TV show or something else

1251
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:49,020
lino like you know that's that's their

1252
00:46:52,460 --> 00:46:50,940
life they have to live with that for you

1253
00:46:54,350 --> 00:46:52,470
it's just 30 minutes of a show or a

1254
00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:54,360
chapter in a book yeah I don't have very

1255
00:46:57,410 --> 00:46:55,950
much respect for some of the

1256
00:47:00,110 --> 00:46:57,420
investigators in the field because of

1257
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,120
that but people like you and Peter

1258
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:01,680
Robbins Christopher Garrett ah know as

1259
00:47:05,020 --> 00:47:03,210
well you know they're respectful they're

1260
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:05,030
always doing continuing education

1261
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:07,710
they're they're very gentle in their

1262
00:47:10,490 --> 00:47:09,060
approach you don't ever give anybody

1263
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,500
gotcha questions

1264
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:13,140
hmm there was a gentleman I spoke to

1265
00:47:20,900 --> 00:47:16,110
recently who's you know pretty big name

1266
00:47:22,610 --> 00:47:20,910
in Hollywood and he was hired to do a TV

1267
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:22,620
show where he would go out and talk to

1268
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:25,980
alien abductees and firsthand witnesses

1269
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:29,430
to UFOs and they said okay good like you

1270
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:31,140
already have the knowledge and you know

1271
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:32,400
the people out there who've had these

1272
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:35,130
experiences so like we're just gonna go

1273
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:36,930
in with a little you know of light tone

1274
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,450
and he said what do you mean a light

1275
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:42,480
tone and like you know like we we just

1276
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:43,800
want to make it kind of light-hearted

1277
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:45,150
and he's like what do you mean

1278
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:46,920
light-hearted these people's lives have

1279
00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:48,810
been completely altered by these things

1280
00:47:55,310 --> 00:47:52,740
so it was so good to hear that a a

1281
00:47:58,430 --> 00:47:55,320
person in Hollywood who is known to be a

1282
00:48:02,240 --> 00:47:58,440
comedian wanted to do a legitimate UFO

1283
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:02,250
TV show and cast these people in the

1284
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,680
right light and he said no I'm not doing

1285
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:06,480
this he's like and they were ready I'm

1286
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:07,950
not kidding you they were ready to like

1287
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:09,840
greenlight this thing give him 10

1288
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:11,550
episodes and they were gonna start

1289
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:14,070
filming in like two weeks and he said no

1290
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,770
he put the whole thing behind him he

1291
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:18,660
said now is not the time these aren't

1292
00:48:22,570 --> 00:48:20,730
the people I want to work with and I

1293
00:48:26,180 --> 00:48:22,580
really had to respect him for that

1294
00:48:28,850 --> 00:48:26,190
definitely and true integrity in the

1295
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:28,860
field of UFO research it it can be hard

1296
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:31,560
to find it can be extremely hard to find

1297
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:34,110
and you know being one of those people

1298
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:39,090
who is now kind of in that that wave of

1299
00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,020
UFO television it's not easy I'm not

1300
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:45,900
defending production companies or TV

1301
00:48:51,740 --> 00:48:48,750
networks their job is to entertain and

1302
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:51,750
these topics can often be entertaining

1303
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:55,290
but when it comes to actually putting

1304
00:48:59,980 --> 00:48:57,720
people on television in front of a

1305
00:49:03,380 --> 00:48:59,990
national or international you know

1306
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:03,390
grandstand to tell their story you have

1307
00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:05,340
to respect that and you have to do

1308
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:07,860
whatever you can I mean I have fought

1309
00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:13,020
and chewed my way up to be like no we

1310
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:15,750
are going to do this serious do not edit

1311
00:49:20,090 --> 00:49:17,730
me and make me say something that I did

1312
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:20,100
not say or that the witness did not say

1313
00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:22,020
and we need to just do this the right

1314
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:24,120
way and I know there's a lot of people

1315
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:26,610
out there who regret having done

1316
00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:28,770
television because of those reasons the

1317
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:30,870
reputations in the field are gone

1318
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:33,630
because of it so it's such a fine line

1319
00:49:37,850 --> 00:49:35,430
because of course you want to get it out

1320
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:37,860
there you know you you want the topic to

1321
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:39,810
become legitimate and to get it out

1322
00:49:43,820 --> 00:49:41,730
there so more people can get involved

1323
00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:43,830
and it could become normal but at the

1324
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:46,830
same time it's just such a fine line

1325
00:49:54,130 --> 00:49:50,280
between entertainment and and what's

1326
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,140
actually happening absolutely and for

1327
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:56,640
people out there that are experiencers

1328
00:49:59,630 --> 00:49:58,260
and you want to actually start talking

1329
00:50:02,750 --> 00:49:59,640
about your story and telling people

1330
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:02,760
about it what you can do is just take

1331
00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:05,850
aside one person that you trust and say

1332
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:07,080
hey I'd like to talk to you about

1333
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,510
something you don't necessarily have to

1334
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,760
have an answer or an opinion but I would

1335
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:13,560
just really appreciate it if you would

1336
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:15,930
just listen to me and then go ahead and

1337
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:18,270
tell them some part of your story you

1338
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:19,290
don't have to tell them the whole thing

1339
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:21,420
and then just see how they react you

1340
00:50:25,310 --> 00:50:23,220
know are they supportive are they

1341
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:25,320
judgmental you know just kind of try and

1342
00:50:29,570 --> 00:50:27,240
gauge their reactions versus the

1343
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:29,580
experience that you have and that's very

1344
00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:31,530
important because the more you start to

1345
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:33,360
tell your story the more that you

1346
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:35,730
believe yourself that's a really good

1347
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,490
joint sometimes it takes like one person

1348
00:50:42,740 --> 00:50:41,280
to listen and what I really respect

1349
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:42,750
about what you're doing to Nick it is

1350
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:45,090
I've heard you say that like you don't

1351
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:49,260
really care about the UFO field or these

1352
00:50:55,550 --> 00:50:52,560
if we ever get like a disclosure for you

1353
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:55,560
it's about preserving these stories so

1354
00:50:59,420 --> 00:50:57,180
that these people can move on with their

1355
00:51:02,600 --> 00:50:59,430
lives am I sort of on the right track

1356
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,610
with that absolutely I'm I care about

1357
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,800
people and I care about them one-on-one

1358
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:07,200
and I care about you know not just

1359
00:51:12,050 --> 00:51:09,180
writing down a good story but you know

1360
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:12,060
how can I help you in a way to process

1361
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:13,950
this so that you can kind of come back

1362
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,500
to some sort of equilibrium or at least

1363
00:51:20,090 --> 00:51:18,240
an understanding with yourself that

1364
00:51:22,550 --> 00:51:20,100
something happened that you couldn't

1365
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:22,560
control yours you're okay you're still

1366
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:26,850
going to be okay and not to play this

1367
00:51:32,090 --> 00:51:29,610
card because so many women do but being

1368
00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:32,100
a young woman in the field of UFO ology

1369
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:34,350
like I'm a phenomenon in a field working

1370
00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:35,640
with phenomena

1371
00:51:39,060 --> 00:51:37,540
people are like oh my god what do you

1372
00:51:43,890 --> 00:51:39,070
think what do you think I'm like I'm not

1373
00:51:47,310 --> 00:51:43,900
an expert on UFOs I'm not no one is Jody

1374
00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:47,320
hi yeah Peter Robbins always told me you

1375
00:51:50,490 --> 00:51:48,760
want to be you follow just spin around

1376
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,500
three times touch your nose and you're

1377
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:53,440
done exactly like there's there's no

1378
00:51:58,770 --> 00:51:57,370
degree for you apology there is not so

1379
00:52:00,960 --> 00:51:58,780
like if you want to talk to someone

1380
00:52:03,180 --> 00:52:00,970
that's that's very empathetic and

1381
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:03,190
accessible and willing to listen and I'm

1382
00:52:07,590 --> 00:52:05,110
not gonna sell your story for some

1383
00:52:10,350 --> 00:52:07,600
stupid book I encourage you to email me

1384
00:52:12,510 --> 00:52:10,360
I read all of my emails it may take me a

1385
00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:12,520
while to respond I am a single mom to a

1386
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:15,550
young child and I do work but if you

1387
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:17,050
just want somebody to read it and then

1388
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:18,850
disappear forever or if you want me to

1389
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:20,410
read it and you know send your response

1390
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:22,450
if you want me to read it and add it to

1391
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,150
my archives you know I would love to I

1392
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:26,800
love hearing all different types of

1393
00:52:31,290 --> 00:52:28,930
experiences and if you want to send me

1394
00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:31,300
hate mail and tell me that I'm ugly and

1395
00:52:36,030 --> 00:52:32,620
I smell bad and you're a hypnotherapist

1396
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,040
you're welcome to do that too the world

1397
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:39,280
is your oyster trolls out there I mean

1398
00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:40,930
are you really successful if you don't

1399
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:43,480
have haters are in that is such a good

1400
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:45,280
oh don't get me started on that we could

1401
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:48,250
have a whole episode of that well I know

1402
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:50,110
you and I are gonna be talking to one

1403
00:52:54,570 --> 00:52:51,970
another in a couple weeks we're both

1404
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:54,580
gonna be attending alien con Los Angeles

1405
00:53:00,270 --> 00:52:57,850
yes I'm on the experiencer panel that's

1406
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:00,280
Friday June 21st at one o'clock and I'll

1407
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:02,620
be sitting next to Kathleen Mardon and

1408
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:05,410
Earl Grey Anderson and yeah a couple of

1409
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:07,360
other like really good experts in the

1410
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:09,430
field with some good information yeah

1411
00:53:14,100 --> 00:53:12,010
I'm super excited about that I think you

1412
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:14,110
and I are doing our things at the same

1413
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,810
time unfortunately Ryan you're just

1414
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:18,640
gonna have to miss it I'm sorry yep yep

1415
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,550
I'm gonna leave my own yeah sorry guys I

1416
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:23,200
got to take a five-minute break here I

1417
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:25,090
have to go watch Nikita not talk because

1418
00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:26,530
other people more important than her

1419
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:27,750
have to do all the time

1420
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:30,550
welcome to the UFO conference circuit

1421
00:53:35,610 --> 00:53:33,220
that's kind of what it is yeah I know we

1422
00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:35,620
talked about that as well like I I'm I'm

1423
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:37,840
not a huge fan of conferences like I

1424
00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:39,490
don't feel like we learned much there

1425
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:41,230
but if you want to go meet meet your

1426
00:53:45,420 --> 00:53:42,970
cool internet friends or stuff like that

1427
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:45,430
I recommend conferences a good point

1428
00:53:48,229 --> 00:53:47,500
yeah and I mean with alien con you know

1429
00:53:50,749 --> 00:53:48,239
it's such

1430
00:53:54,859 --> 00:53:50,759
fine line because a lot of us in the

1431
00:53:57,439 --> 00:53:54,869
field we we don't tend to veer towards

1432
00:53:59,779 --> 00:53:57,449
the whole ancient alien theory and

1433
00:54:03,199 --> 00:53:59,789
that's the people putting on this huge

1434
00:54:04,959 --> 00:54:03,209
event but you got to admit they know how

1435
00:54:07,249 --> 00:54:04,969
to do a conference and there are

1436
00:54:09,919 --> 00:54:07,259
thousands of people that show up to this

1437
00:54:11,059 --> 00:54:09,929
thing and you know I I struggled when I

1438
00:54:13,759 --> 00:54:11,069
went to the first one because I'm like

1439
00:54:16,039 --> 00:54:13,769
ah this isn't really my thing like it's

1440
00:54:18,289 --> 00:54:16,049
more of like a comic-con thing and

1441
00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:18,299
people are dressing up and whatnot but

1442
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,009
the more I thought about it and the more

1443
00:54:24,589 --> 00:54:22,319
people I talk to while I was there like

1444
00:54:27,139 --> 00:54:24,599
oh my god I got through there's so many

1445
00:54:29,299 --> 00:54:27,149
people and now they can like dig deeper

1446
00:54:31,729 --> 00:54:29,309
into the field of research rather than

1447
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:31,739
watch this TV show telling them that

1448
00:54:37,009 --> 00:54:34,559
aliens built the pyramids so it is such

1449
00:54:38,959 --> 00:54:37,019
a very interesting relationship between

1450
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:38,969
the conferences and the actual work

1451
00:54:45,679 --> 00:54:43,559
being done for sure yeah I agree I know

1452
00:54:47,389 --> 00:54:45,689
that we can't all just get along but hey

1453
00:54:49,249 --> 00:54:47,399
at least at least we're trying we're

1454
00:54:50,869 --> 00:54:49,259
moving towards the phenomena I think

1455
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:50,879
instead of away from it and that's good

1456
00:54:55,279 --> 00:54:53,609
that is a really really good point we

1457
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,289
are always moving forward whether we'll

1458
00:54:59,629 --> 00:54:57,839
ever catch up is another question but I

1459
00:55:02,029 --> 00:54:59,639
I think the journey is more important in

1460
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,039
my opinion so what comes next for you

1461
00:55:06,919 --> 00:55:04,559
and your preservation working and where

1462
00:55:08,689 --> 00:55:06,929
can we find out more about that right

1463
00:55:10,999 --> 00:55:08,699
now my archives are not available to the

1464
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:11,009
public might a confidentiality very

1465
00:55:16,279 --> 00:55:14,099
seriously but I do have a couple of them

1466
00:55:17,569 --> 00:55:16,289
that have agreed to disclose I'm

1467
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,579
actually working with Christopher

1468
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:20,099
Cogswell this week he's helping me to

1469
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:22,049
we're actually gonna start creating our

1470
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,729
own database full of markers and things

1471
00:55:29,139 --> 00:55:26,099
like that trying to figure out why so

1472
00:55:32,979 --> 00:55:29,149
many people are more active than others

1473
00:55:35,989 --> 00:55:32,989
yeah and I will be on strange world in

1474
00:55:38,209 --> 00:55:35,999
October on the Travel Channel I might be

1475
00:55:41,209 --> 00:55:38,219
on there for 30 seconds I don't know but

1476
00:55:44,059 --> 00:55:41,219
huh yeah yep welcome to the world of

1477
00:55:45,739 --> 00:55:44,069
television here's like if I see you post

1478
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:45,749
them on Facebook and your website that

1479
00:55:50,359 --> 00:55:48,599
means you're not working exactly exactly

1480
00:55:52,129 --> 00:55:50,369
well I'm super excited to hear that

1481
00:55:54,169 --> 00:55:52,139
you're working with Chris Cox ball I

1482
00:55:57,439 --> 00:55:54,179
will be on a panel with him at alien Con

1483
00:56:00,079 --> 00:55:57,449
he is one of the best people in the

1484
00:56:01,110 --> 00:56:00,089
field right now so to hear that you guys

1485
00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:01,120
are working together

1486
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:02,590
can't even imagine where that's gonna

1487
00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:05,650
head so I have to thank you so much for

1488
00:56:08,820 --> 00:56:07,060
coming on somewhere in the skies today

1489
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:08,830
and sharing all of this with us Nikita

1490
00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:10,570
yeah Thank You Ryan

1491
00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:12,280
I can't wait to see you guys that alien

1492
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,790
gone and yeah just just remember the

1493
00:56:18,780 --> 00:56:17,200
last thing and it's the last thing I

1494
00:56:19,950 --> 00:56:18,790
always tell my experiencers before I

1495
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:19,960
give them a hug I guess because I like

1496
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:21,610
to have but it's just honoring yourself

1497
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:30,400
because you survived that's it for this

1498
00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:32,470
week's episode if you've had a UFO

1499
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:34,990
sighting a close encounter or any type

1500
00:56:39,150 --> 00:56:36,910
of anomalous experience and you're

1501
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:39,160
looking for a safe place to share it you

1502
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:42,060
can email and Kate granda directly and

1503
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:44,890
confidentially at preserve your

1504
00:56:51,630 --> 00:56:48,190
experience at gmail.com again that's

1505
00:56:54,270 --> 00:56:51,640
preserve your experience at gmail.com

1506
00:56:57,210 --> 00:56:54,280
you can also seek her out on Facebook by

1507
00:56:58,620 --> 00:56:57,220
searching for an Kade granda if you

1508
00:57:00,780 --> 00:56:58,630
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1509
00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:00,790
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00:57:12,210 --> 00:57:10,090
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00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:12,220
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1515
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:14,890
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1516
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:17,560
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00:57:21,390 --> 00:57:19,780
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1518
00:57:23,820 --> 00:57:21,400
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1519
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:23,830
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1525
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similar Scott's alien con Los Angeles as

1526
00:57:44,460 --> 00:57:42,670
a mere four days away it's being held at

1527
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:44,470
the Los Angeles Convention Center from

1528
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:47,710
June 21st through the 23rd I really hope

1529
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:49,810
to see you there and trust me this is

1530
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:52,390
going to be the biggest one yet I'll be

1531
00:57:56,700 --> 00:57:54,130
speaking all three days of the event

1532
00:57:58,980 --> 00:57:56,710
with fellow rogue planet Eire Jason

1533
00:58:00,300 --> 00:57:58,990
McClellan and I'm also taking part in a

1534
00:58:02,610 --> 00:58:00,310
panel on Roswell

1535
00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:02,620
mysteries decoded along with my co-host

1536
00:58:07,620 --> 00:58:04,990
Jennifer Marshall will be joined by

1537
00:58:09,740 --> 00:58:07,630
producer Alejandro Rojas executive

1538
00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:09,750
producer Gary tarpon and

1539
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:12,600
special appearance by Dennis Marcy the

1540
00:58:17,870 --> 00:58:15,210
granddaughter of major Jesse Marcel the

1541
00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:17,880
first military officer on site at the

1542
00:58:22,750 --> 00:58:20,670
Roswell UFO crash we'll be discussing

1543
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:22,760
our investigation some behind-the-scenes

1544
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:25,050
moments and what's next

1545
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:28,740
for mr. musta coated on the CW I'm also

1546
00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:31,500
taking part in a massive podcast panel

1547
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:34,230
called UFOs in podcasting feature

1548
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,750
podcasts are the blurry photos podcast

1549
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:39,720
the monsters among us podcast hysteria

1550
00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:43,350
51 the mad scientist podcast and stuff

1551
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,630
they don't want you to know it's gonna

1552
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:48,180
be an epic panel all about why we do our

1553
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:50,970
shows and cover the topics we do later

1554
00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:52,950
that night will be hosting a listener

1555
00:58:58,780 --> 00:58:56,220
and podcaster meetup in downtown LA at

1556
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:58,790
the scum and villainy Cantina a

1557
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:01,920
supercool alien themed bar so I hope to

1558
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,910
see you there as well

1559
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:05,400
in addition I'll be giving my personal

1560
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:08,010
solo presentation and doing tons of

1561
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,650
other fun events including live

1562
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:12,720
recordings of somewhere in the skies

1563
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:15,900
with an audience so be sure to get your

1564
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tickets now because they are going very

1565
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:20,820
fast and they will sell out head on over

1566
00:59:27,830 --> 00:59:23,880
to the alien Con calm and use the promo

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00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:30,270
you as always to the e1 podcast network

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00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:33,780
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1570
00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:36,570
special thanks to you for listening I'll

1571
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:39,360
see you here next week and remember keep

1572
00:59:42,860 --> 00:59:41,610
your feet on the ground but never stop

1573
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:42,870
searching

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